341: Building Bravery in Anxious Kids

with Melissa Giglio, Psy.D.

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Bravery isn’t about being fearless. It’s about learning how to move forward with fear — slowly, gently, and with support. And for anxious kids, that kind of bravery doesn’t come from pressure or pushing harder. It grows from safety, trust, and someone steady walking beside them.

In this episode, I’m joined by child psychologist Dr. Melissa Giglio to talk about what bravery really looks like for anxious kids and how we can nurture it without overwhelming them. We unpack why confidence and capability don’t come from “just doing it,” especially for kids with anxiety, ADHD, or autism. Instead, bravery is built through validation, scaffolding, and tolerable challenges that respect each child’s nervous system.

We talk about how to support kids without enabling avoidance, why rushing and pressure backfire, and how to strike that delicate balance between comfort and challenge. Dr. Melissa shares practical ways to help kids get comfortable being uncomfortable, without flooding their nervous system or eroding trust. We also dig into how parents’ own regulation plays a powerful role, and why fairness, predictability, and follow-through matter so much for anxious kids.

If you’re wondering how to help your child try again after avoidance, how to respond when encouragement feels invalidating, or when to step back without pulling support too soon, this conversation will meet you right where you are.

This is a hopeful, grounding episode about growing brave muscles over time, for our kids and for us.

🎧 Listen now to learn how to build real, lasting bravery in anxious kids one supported step at a time.

Bravery is often misunderstood. We picture bold leaps, fearless kids, and confident action. But for anxious children — especially neurodivergent ones — bravery is quieter and more complex. It looks like trying even when their body is screaming “stop.” It looks like showing up imperfectly. It looks like staying present through discomfort instead of running from it.

Anxiety doesn’t mean a child lacks confidence or resilience. It means their nervous system is doing its job a little too well, scanning for threat, pulling them toward safety, and urging avoidance. When we push anxious kids to “just do it,” we often unknowingly amplify that threat response. Pressure narrows their capacity. Safety expands it.

Bravery grows when kids feel capable and supported. That means acknowledging that something is hard without lowering expectations or raising them too fast. It means scaffolding challenges in a way that’s tolerable, individualized, and fair. Not throwing kids into the deep end, but slowly walking them closer to the water, step by step, until they’re ready.

One of the most powerful shifts we can make is validating struggle while expressing belief. “I know this is hard, and I believe you can do it, with support.” That balance matters. Pure encouragement without validation can feel dismissive. Pure validation without belief can feel limiting. Kids need both.

Support doesn’t mean doing things for them. It means staying close while they build independence. Standing beside them. Then slightly behind them. Then a few steps back — at their pace, not ours. Enabling happens when we take over. Growth happens when we gradually release support while staying emotionally available.

Equally important is how we show up. Our calm becomes their calm. When we can tolerate their discomfort without rushing to fix it — or becoming distressed ourselves — we send a powerful message: this feeling is survivable. You are safe. We can handle this together.

Bravery also grows through reflection. Noticing the small wins that anxious kids often overlook. Naming effort, not outcome. Normalizing that everyone struggles and that bravery is a muscle built over time, not a personality trait you’re born with.

Anxious kids don’t need to be pushed harder. They need to be understood better. When we lead with safety, trust, and patience, bravery doesn’t have to be forced. It grows naturally, rooted in connection, supported by regulation, and strengthened one small step at a time.

3 Key Takeaways
01

Bravery isn’t about eliminating anxiety. It’s about learning to move forward with it. Anxious kids build confidence when challenges are broken into manageable steps that respect their nervous system.

02

Support and independence are not opposites. Kids need us close at first, gradually stepping back as they gain confidence, not being pushed away before they’re ready.

03

Validation and belief must exist together. Naming that something is hard and expressing confidence in a child’s ability, without pressure, creates safety and trust.

What You'll Learn

How to support anxious kids without pushing or enabling avoidance

How to scaffold challenges in a tolerable, nervous-system-friendly way

What to say when encouragement feels invalidating

How to help your child try again after avoidance

When and how to gradually step back while maintaining trust

My Guest

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D.

Dr Melissa Giglio is a clinical psychologist who specializes in treating childhood disorders, specifically selective mutism and social anxiety disorder. She dedicates her practice to raising awareness about selective mutism, supporting families in therapy, and training educators. She is the creator of Confident Crew, an intensive group behavioral program for children with selective mutism, the first of its kind in Asia.

Dr Giglio is the director of the Child Development Team, a multidisciplinary practice serving children with a range of disorders. She is also the co-director of Brave Mighty Minds (BMM), which develops resources for individuals unable to access care. Bravery Grows and Bravery Grows Journal are BMM’s first publications, which model the skills and language used in therapy for children with selective mutism and anxiety disorders. Dr Giglio splits her time between Hong Kong and the United States.

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The Bravery Grows Journal & Workbook by Dr Melissa Giglio (Author), Ms Daisy Geddes

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Transcript

Beautifully Complex – Episode 341
Building Bravery in Anxious Kids with Melissa Giglio, Psy.D.

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:00:01]: So often anxiety interferes with a child’s ability to take steps forward. It really takes support from others to help kids believe they can do things for themselves and trust that they’re capable.

Penny Williams [00:00:18]: Welcome to Beautifully Complex, where we unpack what it really means to parent neurodivergent kids with dignity and clarity. I’m Penny Williams, and I know firsthand how tough—and transformative—this journey can be. Let’s dive in and discover how to raise regulated, resilient, beautifully complex kids together.

Penny Williams [00:00:48]: I’m really excited to be joined today by Dr. Melissa Giglio. We’re talking about bravery—specifically, how to build bravery in kids and how we can support that as the caring adults in their lives. Melissa, will you tell everyone a little about who you are and what you do?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:01:10]: Thank you so much for having me. I’m a clinical child psychologist, originally from the U.S., but currently living in Hong Kong. I’m also a mom of three. My work focuses on supporting kids with anxiety—especially social anxiety and selective mutism—as well as working with families of kids with ADHD and helping parents and schools better understand how to support them.

Penny Williams [00:01:39]: I’m really grateful to see more professionals specializing in social anxiety. As someone who grew up with it, I know how misunderstood it used to be—and honestly still can be. So let’s start with how you define bravery. What does bravery look like in kids?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:02:22]: When I think about bravery, I think about kids feeling confident and capable. It’s about being able to go after what they want, to use their voice in a way that feels authentic to them. Bravery doesn’t mean being loud or outgoing—we don’t need a world full of extroverts. It means anxiety doesn’t get in the way of pursuing their goals or dreams.

Penny Williams [00:02:55]: So confidence and capability—how do we help kids develop those, especially neurodivergent kids who receive so much negative messaging and often compare themselves to peers?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:03:17]: One big piece is helping kids notice what they are doing well. Anxious kids are very good at identifying what they’re not good at or how they don’t measure up. We need to help them recognize their strengths, celebrate small wins, and set gentle, realistic plans for growth. Anxiety often blocks action, so kids need support to take steps forward and to believe in themselves.

Penny Williams [00:03:57]: What does that look like day to day for parents who are already overwhelmed?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:04:21]: One of the most helpful things parents can do is slow down just a bit. Rushing anxious or neurodivergent kids rarely leads to good outcomes. Planning ahead, building in extra time, and using encouraging language like “I’m here with you” helps kids see themselves positively. It also means helping them manage disappointment when things don’t go as planned.

Penny Williams [00:04:58]: I’ve learned that sometimes saying “I know you can do this” can feel invalidating to a child who’s really struggling. How do we balance encouragement with validation?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:05:14]: The key is naming both. Saying, “I know this is hard, and I believe you can do this—with support.” We’re not dismissing their struggle. We’re acknowledging it and letting them know they’re not alone. Bravery grows when kids feel supported, not when they feel expected to do everything on their own.

Penny Williams [00:06:19]: What kind of scaffolding helps kids build confidence without overwhelming them?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:06:41]: Anxiety support should never be throwing kids into the deep end. We pace things according to the child. We set goals, break them into small steps, and move forward gradually. Sometimes progress is slower than we expect—and that’s okay. The goal is helping kids get comfortable being uncomfortable without becoming flooded or overwhelmed.

Penny Williams [00:07:43]: How do we find that “just right” challenge?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:08:08]: We start by regulating ourselves. The calmer we are, the calmer our kids can be. We read their cues. If something feels like too much, we pause and reassess. We let kids know that discomfort is tolerable and that setbacks aren’t failures—they’re information.

Penny Williams [00:09:03]: Avoidance is common with anxiety. How do we help kids try again after avoiding something hard?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:09:39]: We help them reframe challenges. Instead of “I can’t,” we gently guide them toward “This feels hard, but I might be able to try.” We remind them of past successes and help them see challenges as part of a bigger journey—not mountains, but steps.

Penny Williams [00:10:31]: Is asking “How can I help you?” useful?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:10:46]: Sometimes—but anxious kids often don’t know what they need in the moment. Often, just saying “I’m here with you” helps. Once they’re calmer, we can offer options instead of solutions. Regulation comes first; problem-solving comes after.

Penny Williams [00:11:50]: Are there everyday practices parents can use to build confidence?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:12:21]: Yes—reflection is powerful. Bravery isn’t about big wins. It’s about small moments: going to school on a hard day, trying a new food, inviting a friend over. Helping kids notice these moments builds confidence. That’s why we created the Bravery Grows Journal—to help kids reflect, praise themselves, and approach challenges gradually.

Penny Williams [00:14:24]: Normalizing struggle is so powerful. When we’re transparent about our own challenges, kids feel seen and less alone.

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:15:34]: Absolutely. Kids need us close at first. Over time, we step back—not suddenly, but gradually. Supporting doesn’t mean doing things for them. Enabling is taking over. Supporting is helping them grow independence at their pace.

Penny Williams [00:17:30]: What about parents who don’t understand anxiety because they’ve never experienced it?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:18:34]: Education is key. Anxiety isn’t a choice—it’s a nervous system response. When parents understand that, they can respond calmly instead of with frustration. Trust is everything. Kids need to know we’re fair, predictable, and on their side.

Penny Williams [00:21:46]: Pressure is so dysregulating. When we add pressure, kids lose access to rational thinking.

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:21:52]: Exactly. We hold the plan steady until kids are ready. Flexibility comes later. Fairness builds safety—and safety builds bravery.

Penny Williams [00:22:52]: Can you share a bit more about the journal?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:22:52]: The Bravery Grows Journal is designed for kids roughly ages 4–10. Parents and kids work through it together. It focuses on reflection, positive self-talk, and gradual exposure. There’s also guidance for parents to help support the process thoughtfully.

Penny Williams [00:24:26]: Where can people find you?

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:24:35]: You can find me at bravemightyminds.com. The journal and book are available on Amazon. I’m also on Instagram at @braverygrows and @drmelissagiglio.

Penny Williams [00:24:55]: Thank you so much for this conversation. It was truly meaningful.

Melissa Giglio, Psy.D. [00:25:09]: Thank you—I really appreciate being here.

Penny Williams [00:25:11]: Take good care.

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I'm your host, Penny Williams.

I help stuck and struggling parents (educators, too) make the pivots necessary to unlock success and joy for neurodivergent kids and teens, themselves, and their families. I'm honored to be part of your journey!

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I'm Penny Williams.

Host of Beautifully Complex. I help stuck and struggling parents (educators, too) make the pivots necessary to unlock success and joy for neurodivergent kids and teens, themselves, and their families. I'm honored to be part of your journey!

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