359: How Chronic Caregiving Stress Alters Parent Physical Health
with Andrea Jones
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Your body has been keeping score, and it may be time to listen.
So many of us are living in a state of constant caregiving stress, navigating the endless layers of raising a differently wired child. We are managing meltdowns, fighting for accommodations, fielding calls from school, and pouring ourselves out day after day. But here is what we do not talk about nearly enough: what all of that stress is quietly doing to our physical health.
In this episode, I sit down with Andrea Jones, a registered nurse, functional health practitioner, and fellow special needs parent, to have the honest conversation about what chronic caregiving stress actually does inside our bodies. Andrea spent 15 years in inpatient pediatrics supporting families through health crises before experiencing her own. After her daughter was diagnosed with PANDAS, Andrea watched her own body begin to break down, and she had to completely change how she thought about self-care, resourcing herself, and survival.
We talk about the difference between acute and chronic stress, why chronic caregiving stress is so unique and layered, and the three most common physical symptoms she sees in caregiving parents. We dig into cortisol, why it is not doing what you probably think it is doing under long-term stress, and what that paradoxical low-cortisol burnout pattern actually looks and feels like.
We also get honest about why self-care feels impossible and even insulting when your day involves sensory meltdowns, skipped meals, and zero margin. Andrea reframes what resourcing yourself actually means when your situation is more extreme than average, and I share how figuring out my own mindset was the only thing that actually moved the needle on my physical health after years of unanswered symptoms.
This conversation is for every parent who has pushed through the blinking lights on their own dashboard and told themselves they were fine, right up until they were not. Press play and let this one land.
There is a particular kind of exhaustion that parents of differently wired children know in their bones. It is not the tired that comes from a hard week at work. It is not even the tired that comes from a newborn phase. It is a bone-deep, never-quite-recovered kind of fatigue that accumulates over years of living in a state of sustained alert. And while we talk often about the emotional and mental toll of this kind of parenting, we talk far less about what it is doing to our bodies.
Andrea Jones, a registered nurse and functional health practitioner who is also a parent of a child with special needs, has spent the better part of a decade watching this pattern unfold, first in the families she supported in inpatient pediatrics, and then in her own life. After her daughter was diagnosed with PANDAS, Jones found herself in the middle of what she describes as the most intense stress she has ever experienced. And her body noticed.
“It is like reading a book about a subject and then living the subject,” Jones says. “Those are two very different learning experiences.”
The distinction she draws between acute and chronic stress is important. An acute stressor, a child recovering from surgery, a short-term behavioral flare, has an endpoint. The body can endure because the brain holds an unconscious countdown. But chronic stress, the kind that comes with raising a child with a lifelong diagnosis, has no such endpoint. There is no cast coming off in three weeks. There is no return to normal waiting on the other side.
“With chronic stress, it is never just one stressor,” Jones explains. “It is multiple layers. There is the parenting you want to provide, the pressure from school, the way society tells you to parent, the financial strain, the relationship strain. It compounds.”
What makes chronic caregiving stress physiologically distinct is what it does to the body's cortisol system over time. Cortisol, the hormone produced by the adrenal glands, is often described as the stress hormone, but that framing misses its full complexity. It is also the hormone that governs energy, wake cycles, and the body's ability to outperform itself in moments of danger. The problem is that under conditions of sustained stress, the adrenal glands eventually cannot keep up.
“The pattern I see most often is not high cortisol,” Jones says. “It is that you have completely bottomed out. You have been so depleted for so long that the system has nothing left to give.”
This low-cortisol picture tends to look like difficulty sleeping, waking at 3 a.m. with a racing heart, crushing afternoon fatigue that hits exactly when the kids get home from school, digestive issues that seem unrelated but are directly connected to vagus nerve dysregulation, and a flat, hollowed-out feeling that is different from sadness and harder to name.
Jones spent years ignoring her own warning signs, something she says is nearly universal among the parents she works with. There were obstacles. Independence. Shame. Lack of financial resources to seek help. In-laws who did not understand. The grinding weight of being the one who figures things out for everyone else while no one is figuring things out for you.
“We are outsourcing everything to help our child,” she says. “To their doctors, their teachers, their therapists, their advocates. And we forget that we also need that help.”
The reframe she now offers parents is not about bubble baths or vacations. It is about what she calls creating margins: small, non-negotiable windows of resourcing that prevent the body from going into full systemic breakdown. For Jones, that meant learning to eat meals even when mealtimes were chaotic, rearranging finances to access therapy, taking walks not as a luxury but as a lifeline.
“Those things felt like luxuries,” she says, “and I had to learn they were actually lifelines.”
For parents who have spent years being sent home by doctors with labs that look fine and advice to reduce their stress, this conversation offers something those appointments rarely do: an honest account of what chronic caregiving stress is actually doing inside the body, and a map toward something different.
Not a cure. Not a perfect solution. Just a different way of thinking about what it means to survive not a sprint, but a marathon.
Chronic caregiving stress is physiologically different from everyday stress, and the body responds to it differently than most parents realize, often showing up as depleted cortisol rather than the high cortisol so commonly discussed.
The physical symptoms of caregiver burnout, including sleep disruption, afternoon fatigue, and digestive issues, are not random or unrelated. They are the body's signals that the stress system is dysregulated and in need of resourcing.
Self-care for caregiving parents is not a luxury or a reward. It is a survival strategy, and the mindset shift that reframes it as a lifeline rather than an indulgence is often the hardest and most necessary step.
How chronic caregiving stress differs from short-term stress and why that difference changes everything about how you need to approach your own wellbeing.
The three most common physical symptoms that show up in parents under long-term caregiving stress, and why they are signals worth paying attention to.
What cortisol actually does in the body and why the burnout pattern in caregiving parents is often a low-cortisol picture, not the high-cortisol picture most people assume.
Why self-care has to look different when your situation is more extreme than average, and how to start with one small, concrete thing that creates margin in your day.
How working on your mindset and mental health is not separate from your physical health but is directly connected to how your body processes and responds to stress.
Andrea Jones
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Episode 359: How Chronic Caregiving Stress Alters Parent Physical Health
With Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP
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Penny Williams: Hello, parents and educators and caring adults. I am so glad that you're here with us. Today I have with me Andrea Jones to talk about parent health, like parent physical health when we have constant caregiving stress, because it can have a huge impact on our physical health, and I think it's something that needs to be on parent radar, but also we need strategies.
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Penny Williams: How do we maybe circumvent some of this? How do we prevent some of it from happening? So, Andrea, will you start by introducing yourself to the audience, and then we'll jump into our topic?
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Absolutely. Well, I'm Andrea Jones. I am a registered nurse, a functional health practitioner, and a parent of a child with special needs. I actually spent the first 15 years of my career working in inpatient pediatrics, so I got to see firsthand how childhood illness really impacts families, both acute illness and chronic illness.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: It wasn't really until I had my own experience with that, being on the parent side of things, that I really started to understand, okay, we're no longer in an acute stress situation. This is now a marathon. This is not a sprint, and I have to start to think about this differently.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: My clinical experience, my professional experience did inform me because I was listening to parents a lot, to what they were going through. As nurses, we're not just supporting the child, we're supporting the whole family. But it's like reading a book about a subject and then living the subject. Those are two different learning experiences.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: I really do feel like that experience helped shape how I started to think about taking care of myself, because for many years, especially when my daughter was first diagnosed with PANDAS, the first three years after that were extremely high stress. When you're in that situation, it feels like nothing I do is going to make a difference because it doesn't change the stressors. And so I found myself getting stuck in that thought loop a lot, like, does it matter? Is it really making an impact? Until I realized I had no choice but to do something different.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: So that's a little bit about my background and what we're talking about today.
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Penny Williams: Yeah, and I'm so glad that you said we can't change the stressor, but we can change our response to the stressor. We can change what we do for ourselves under that stress, right?
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Absolutely.
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Penny Williams: And so let's start by defining what we mean by chronic caregiving stress. What does that look and feel like?
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Yeah, it looks and feels distinctly different, and the research does differentiate it from an acute stressor. An acute stressor is very short-lived, maybe a few days to a few weeks, like an illness or a behavioral issue, or a kid goes in for surgery for a broken leg and has to learn how to walk with a cast again. That's an acute stressor and doesn't have a lifelong impact in most cases.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: A chronic stressor is long-term and tends to be life-changing. I can look back at my daughter's diagnosis and say absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, everything in our life changed from that point. How we functioned as a family, how it changed my ability to work. There were multiple layers of stressors. And I think that's the other important piece: with chronic stress, it's never just one stressor. It's multiple layers of stressors. A chronic stressor has no endpoint, and that means we have to think about strategies differently. Any of us can endure a short-term stressor because we know in the back of our heads, three weeks from now the doctor said we get the cast off and life gets to go back to normal.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: But many of us who are parenting differently wired children or children with a chronic illness or a behavioral or whatever diagnosis, we don't have that. We don't have an end date for when that stress might ease, and I think that's how I would describe it. There is maybe no end in sight, and that changes how we think about our stress too.
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Penny Williams: And when you say multiple layers, I'm thinking about our own stress of the parenting that we want, the childhood that we want to create for our kids, then the stress of the way society says we should parent, then the stress of the school saying your kid has to get here, they have to behave in a certain manner, they have to perform to a certain level. And that's just three aspects. There are so many more. So it can be really just layer upon layer upon layer of stressors coming at us. How do we then reduce the impact? Like, how do we keep it from affecting our physical health, and what does that even look like?
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Penny Williams: I don't know if you want to start with prevention or if you want to start with what it looks like if we don't go down the path of prevention. I'll leave that up to you.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Yeah, I think so many of us thought we were doing fine until we weren't. I have a lot of internal strength, and so I just ignored a lot of signs in myself, and I think that's very, very common. The parents I talk to, it's very common. We ignore those little blinking lights on our dashboard that are saying, hey, I'm not really doing well. And for me, I thought I was doing well until I wasn't, and then every little thing felt like too much. And then I realized, oh, I have gone well beyond what a normal capacity should be.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: And then I had to start looking at why am I not resourcing myself? Because it wasn't necessarily a matter of I can't resource myself. I had some pretty strong tendencies, part of that internal strength, of being fiercely independent and not wanting to ask for help. Maybe you've experienced shame in that area. Maybe you have in-laws who don't understand what's happening with your kids, so they're not going to step in and help. Maybe you are tapped out of financial resources, and so that feels like a very legitimate obstacle. For me, I learned the hard way through massive burnout that showed up as a lot of physical health issues. My gut was a mess. My hormones went completely haywire, which could have been partly perimenopause, but was probably the combination of both. My whole body just said, yeah, we're done. You can't keep going at this rate.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: So now I'm a lot more strategic with myself, and I'm a lot more strategic with parents in helping them identify what's the one thing you can do today that may not feel like enough. We're not trying to eat the whole elephant in a day. What's the one thing I can do today? For me, that meant really getting over myself, for lack of a better word, and learning to ask for help, and learning to advocate for myself in a different way. Things like moving finances around to go to therapy, or making sure I was going for walks every day or three times a week so I got breaks from my child. Those felt like luxuries, and I had to learn that they were actually not luxuries. They were lifelines.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: I learned the hard way, and now I'm a lot more strategic about preventing burnout because I've experienced the extreme end of that burnout state, the difficulty getting out of bed in the morning, having no energy for anything, and a lot of health issues that came from that.
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Penny Williams: Yeah. I was struggling for a while with my health, and it took three years and seven doctors to get a diagnosis of fibromyalgia. The way we finally figured it out was every time there was a big stressor, I was in pain. And it helped me recognize how important self-care is, and that self-care isn't like taking a vacation or getting a massage. Self-care is being able to manage stressors without them tearing us apart. And that is a totally different picture than what we're typically talking about when we talk about self-care.
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Penny Williams: So I think this conversation is so important. Do you want to name some of the more common physical ailments that can come from chronic stress?
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Absolutely. I would say for women especially, and mothers especially, difficulty sleeping is a big sign that your stress system, your nervous system is dysregulated. We digest our day while we're sleeping, not just literally, but emotionally as well. And so a lot of times women will come to me asking what supplement they should take for sleep, and my first question is, what does your day look like? They get confused because they asked about sleep, but I need to know some things first. So sleep dysregulation is a big one. Waking up at 3 a.m. with a heart racing, feeling sweaty, kind of panicky. That's not usually just anxiety. That's also a cortisol and blood sugar dysregulation issue.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Fatigue is another big one. Because you're not sleeping well, you wake up not feeling rested, and then by 2 or 3 in the afternoon you are completely done, which is exactly when your kids are getting home from school and their second wave of intensity is hitting. So you have to be on and you can't be, because you're exhausted. And that's when we feel guilty because we're snapping or we're irritable, and it's because our body is sending up these cues.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Digestive issues is another really big one. I see a lot of women with heartburn, reflux, bloating and gas, constipation. Those are really common signs that you may not think are connected, but they absolutely are connected. If you are in stress, your digestive system, because of how it's connected to the vagus nerve, is going to be the first thing impacted. I ignored a lot of signs of digestive issues until it took so much work to come back from that. That was seven years of the most intense stress I've ever had in my life.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Those are the three big ones. There are also some subtle things that can show up on blood work that tell us someone is really living in a chronic state of fight or flight. But symptom-presentation-wise, those are the big three.
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Penny Williams: And can it also affect things like our cardiac health? Let's talk about cortisol because we see the term all over the place now, and I think it's really important to understand what cortisol is and what role it's playing, so that we know what to do with the information we're hearing.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Right. Cortisol is a hormone produced by your adrenal glands, which sit right on top of your kidneys. Their job is to produce cortisol, which is a very energizing hormone. It controls when you wake up, how you wake up, what your energy peak and dip is throughout the day. At the extreme end, it is what gives you the energy to outrun a bear when you physiologically should not be able to.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: So many of us, without our own consent, have been thrown into this world of special needs parenting or parenting a child with difficulties. You're in a caregiver role you didn't sign up for, and that initial cortisol response is what allows you to step into that place and survive the initial stages. But then, if we don't ever come out of that chronic release of cortisol where the body is saying, we're in survival mode, we've got to keep releasing this energy, what happens, specifically for women, is not high cortisol. It's that you've completely bottomed out.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: The symptoms look very similar to high cortisol, which is why blood work and urine testing can be really helpful to identify the pattern, because that changes how we treat the symptoms. This is what I had seen anecdotally in my practice over the last seven years: everybody had bottomed out in their cortisol, and yet they thought they had high cortisol because the symptoms kind of mirror each other.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: But the research shows that caregiver stress burnout tends not to be high cortisol. It tends to be low. And then paradoxically, because you're low, your body will use its last resources to dump out more. So you'll have these spurts of high cortisol, which is that 3 a.m. wake up where your heart's racing. That can very much mimic cardiovascular changes. This is why women a lot of times end up in the ER thinking they're having a heart attack when they're not. It's a panic attack, but it's driven by cortisol.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: So it is complex. If it sounds overwhelming, that's because it is that complex and nuanced. But for most caregivers, the pattern is low cortisol because you've been so depleted for so long. Understanding that actually helps us know where to start in helping somebody regain some adrenal function and keep their cortisol from wigging out all the time.
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Penny Williams: I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around cortisol being low when you have chronic stress. What am I missing? Wouldn't it be dumping cortisol constantly and making it high?
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: You would think so, but it is confusing, and I wish I had a graph to visually show people because it does make more sense when you see it in a pattern. We all have a baseline cortisol production that we should be in, a medium range. But cortisol requires resources to produce. It requires B vitamins, zinc, magnesium, glucose. When we're under stress, we're typically under-eating or eating foods that aren't super nourishing because we're stressed. So we're not getting those nutrients to the adrenal glands to produce adequate amounts of cortisol.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: What I typically see on testing is more like a flat line, not a whole lot of cortisol production throughout the day, but then a little bump at 3 in the morning where the body just shoots this woman awake and makes her lay there sweating and feeling miserable for an hour. It is paradoxical and confusing, which is why I definitely recommend, especially for women over 35, if you're experiencing those symptoms, don't assume high cortisol. It most likely would be more of a low cortisol picture, which requires a very different approach to resolving.
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Penny Williams: Wow. And what does that affect? I know every chemical in the body doesn't just do one thing. Are there symptoms parents could notice in themselves that might identify that their system is out of whack?
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Yeah, absolutely. There are well over 50 different symptoms somebody could experience. Some people experience shaking, that hangry feeling when your blood sugar is low, because cortisol is coming in to rescue the low blood sugar. That shaky, jittery feeling. It can feel like almost passing out, a little woozy. Some clients experience a very dry, parched throat or a sensation to gulp a lot. A lot of people feel abdominal tightness, just jittery and tight in the belly. And then when those symptoms grow, we start to see physical appearance changes, like puffiness in the hands or face from retaining water to dilute the cortisol. Weight gain around the belly is a very common one for women.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: For a lot of women it can range from anxiety, heart palpitations, and racing thoughts to just feeling very flat and fatigued. If you were to Google high cortisol symptoms, you would get a long list, which is why testing can be helpful in identifying what pattern we're actually looking at. Cortisol is like a rescue hormone. Its job is to provide the quick energy we need to get through a stressor. But when we live in that state all the time, it can actually become quite toxic to the body. That's where we start to see the chronic impact on all of the systems.
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Penny Williams: What else do we need to know about chronic stress and our physical health?
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Going back to what you were saying about self-care, I used to feel like it was a four-letter word. If I heard one more person tell me how much I needed to take care of myself. Okay, are you going to come over and clean my house because my kid was having a meltdown for five hours? It felt impossible.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: The reality is that when you are a caregiver, when you're not getting to parent your child the way you would if they were not struggling, whatever that struggle looks like, the burden for you is greater. And that means you have to change the way you think about your life and your stressors. You have to create some sort of room, some windows or margins or buffers. You don't have the option not to. I tell parents all the time: you have to flip how you think about this. This is no longer a situation where you say, when my child is better, I will take care of myself. You have to do something about it now, before this becomes a bigger problem.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: I remember one day deciding I was going to let my daughter throw the fit and I was going to eat my meal and reassure her, I'm right here, I'm not going anywhere, but I do need to eat my food. Because what I was doing was skipping meals because mealtimes were so stressful, and then essentially binging later because I was so hungry. That was creating a lot of issues in my body. The reason I'm sharing that is that sometimes we have to do extreme things because our situation is more extreme. That means creating boundaries internally and externally to manage that. The chronic stress is not going to go away until we learn how to manage this differently, and that looks like resourcing ourselves and advocating for help for us just as much as we're advocating for help for our child.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: How many of us are actually doing that for ourselves? Not many. We're outsourcing everything to help our child and forgetting that we also need that help.
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Penny Williams: And I think mental health is also a big layer that will affect our physical health. I know for me, figuring out how to manage my stress was the key. I kept going to doctors and they kept saying, all your tests are fine, you just need to reduce your stress. And I'm like, how am I going to do that? I didn't understand that I could work on my mindset. I could work on my own anxiety. I could work on things that would affect the way that I felt about the stressors so that maybe they wouldn't stress me as much.
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Penny Williams: Like the example you gave with your daughter, saying, this is our reality right now, sensory struggles are going to make mealtime really difficult for her, but I still need to eat and I can't engage in that intensity with her. That's stress management. That's also working on our own mental health. We have to get to a place where we can actually live it, not just say it. Because I could say I'm just going to let this happen because it's going to happen anyway, and still be really stressed internally. There's more to it. We really have to work on the mental health piece, and we tend to separate mental and physical health too much. For me, figuring out my mindset was the only thing that actually moved the needle on my physical health, and it took me years.
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Penny Williams: They don't tell you that part. They just send you away and say, reduce your stress.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: And what does that look like in this situation? It is so different from family to family and even family member to family member. There was a period of time where my daughter did so much better just eating her food in her room. And if I had held so firmly to the belief that families eat together, which is kind of how I was raised and which I think is wonderful, I would have created so much more stress than just letting her eat in her room and saying, come join us when you're ready, we're here if you need us, you're being well-fed. Everybody gets to eat a meal in peace. That is the goal.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: And now we do get to eat family meals together. But there was a period of time where holding that rigid belief was costing me far more in the stress department. It did mean shifting my mindset. I think that's where we struggle a lot, and not even realizing how our mental health is being impacted, because it's being impacted in so many areas: financially, emotionally, in your marriage, in your relationship with your other children. That's what feels unescapable. But I think you nailed it with the idea that I can work on myself. I can go to therapy. I can work on how I think about and process these things. I can go for a five-minute walk. I can yank weeds in the yard to get my anger out. Any of those things are appropriate stress management, and it goes beyond just being told to manage your stress.
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Penny Williams: And there's just a separation, like I'm going to MDs for my physical wellness and they never suggested, maybe you should speak to a therapist. They weren't connecting that for me, and so it was really difficult to get there on my own. I know there's so much more that people can learn from you, Andrea. We have barely scratched the surface. Where can they find you online so they can connect and learn more?
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: I hope we get to chat more, this was a really fun conversation. You can find me in lots of places. I'm on Instagram, my handle is @abundantwellnesswithandrea. I also have a private channel on there just for parents of special needs kids where we have different conversations that are really enriching. That's probably the easiest place to find me. You can also email me at [email protected]. And I'm on YouTube as well, which is kind of a longer version of what I share on Instagram.
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Penny Williams: And I'll link everything up in the show notes for folks too, which is at parentingadhdandautism.com. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being real.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Thank you for having me.
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Penny Williams: Because I think it's so important that we are speaking the truth for parents and not sugarcoating it and not saying, if you just change your diet it'll all be great, or if you just exercise more everything will be fine. We're getting to the real nitty-gritty of it and that acceptance that it is more of a struggle. So I really appreciate that.
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Andrea Jones, RN, BSN, FHP: Well, thank you, Penny. Thank you for having me.
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Penny Williams: Of course. I will see everybody next time. Take good care.
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